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90% of the women I've come across in Investment Banking have been over aggressive and highly unsympathetic or generally not nice women to put it kindly...  Read all comments »

A recent article in BusinessWeek drew attention to the fact that many female MBAs aren’t making it to the top. Why is this? Is there still a glass ceiling? Is the ceiling in fact made of reinforced concrete? Or is it that many women are opting out?

Clearly, there are going to be variations industry by industry, and I won’t profess to be an expert on many career paths. From my experience – solely in banking – I feel that many women eventually opt out rather than fight to get to the top. Unsurprisingly, I feel this is even more common for mothers than for women without children.

Female MBAs who go into finance are classic Type A over-achievers (as are many female MBAs more generally). They give 100% to whatever they do and are perfectionists. They want success and they want to achieve that success now. They also generally have husbands who are equally obsessive. At business school, many of these women not only received their MBA but also their MRS. Almost one third of the women in my business-school class married men from business school.

When both partners have a banking lifestyle, achieving a stable home environment is tough, particularly when children are involved. As you progress in seniority through a bank, the hours get more manageable but they are still long. You may not be working 24/7 any more but you are still working 7am to 7pm. It is an unpredictable, deal-driven, client-service business.

Senior executives still receive calls at random hours of the day and night. (My favourite was at 2am, from a client asking if we needed a meeting then or if I thought it could wait until the morning.)

Many banks do have family-friendly policies. I had understanding colleagues. We had free emergency crèche places, good parental leave policies, and a myriad of other things of which I didn’t fully take advantage.

With working husbands in the same industry, many female bankers could afford to make choices. Going from two incomes to one was a challenge, but possible. In theory, the man could have opted out. But, in reality, this was rare.

The current downturn and the flood of employees out of the market has changed all this. With jobs in financial services suddenly looking a lot less stable and lucrative, giving one up to spend time at home may start to seem a luxury.

On one level, this is a shame – stable families and children benefit enormously from having one parent at home. But on another level, it could increase the proportion of senior women in an industry which desperately needs them.

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VP, Investment Banking / M & A,  Fri 21 Nov 08

Please stop with these useless articles.. I hate positive discrimination for females, in my team I usually reject all females unless they have the same skills.

Honestly only 10% of all women in BB banks I worked with have the same skills as males and the same drive.. Most of them just their charmes and being female to advance and to kiss -ass

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jonnybgood,  Fri 21 Nov 08

90% of the women I've come across in Investment Banking have been over aggressive and highly unsympathetic or generally not nice women to put it kindly...I wouldn’t want them as my mother...so may be they are better staying single and married to their work which generally they are quite good at…except HR of course (they are just time wasters and business stoppers)... This hardly applies to other industries but I suspect every firm has a few...

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Mikey, HR & Recruitment,  Fri 21 Nov 08

It pains me to see women aping the very worst aspects of male behaviour.  Excessive working, blind bride hyper comptitiveness and aggression.  Its no wonder kids nowadays feel neglected nowadays.

Equality was meant to bring freedom for women, not turn them into men.

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truestory, Debt / Fixed Income,  Fri 21 Nov 08

The women I've worked with who were in very senior positions got there on merit - perhaps women who hit the "concrete" ceiling do so because they're simply not good enough.

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Laydee, Hedge Funds,  Fri 21 Nov 08

Mikey - what's wrong with a competitive woman? Do you like your ladies nice, docile and servile by any chance? In case  you haven't noticed, investment banking is a competitive industry. The docile ladies are usually married to the bankers who don't respect them.

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IBMD, Investment Banking / M & A,  Fri 21 Nov 08

chicks in high finance have always been a novelty for me and I have used them to my best advantage. You guys remember a few years ago a semi-hot chick whose MD called her "tethered goat" on a deal? Sheesh what a cry baby.

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Mikey, HR & Recruitment,  Fri 21 Nov 08

No Laydee,

I said it pains me to see women aping the worst of male behaviour, like hyper competitiveness, greed and blind pride.  These aren't good traits to have.  Women have many amazing qualities at which they outdo men, including, I believe, co-operation, empathy, foresight.  If they brought these qualities to the workplace rather than trying to turn themselves into men, I think it would be a slightly better world.  These are the 'qualities that have got us into the mess we are in.

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Laydee, Hedge Funds,  Fri 21 Nov 08

Hi Mikey,

Yes, women can cooperate, empathise, and show foresight, where appropriate. However, women are also able to be competitive, greedy and proud. I agree that the first set of skills are preferable, but they are not always appropriate for a workplace dominated by the latter. If male colleagues are playing dirty, women need to play dirty too - and not be castigated as she-males because of it.

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Mikey, HR & Recruitment,  Fri 21 Nov 08

No Laydee, that's my point, men have the monopoly on those attributes i believe and women merely ape their behaviour to try and get ahead which rarely works.

Lets make the world a better place eh?  "all together now "We are the world..."

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Johnny, Debt / Fixed Income,  Sat 22 Nov 08

Does anyone really believe that men and women are hugely different..? I believe that men and women are ultimately pretty similar - women are greedy, competitive, selfish, unmotherly; Men are loving, nagging, selfless and nurturing... And vice versa. We're all just humans..? Are we (men) jealous of women being more powerful than us?

Sometimes, women don't want to be mothers. Sometimes men don't want to be bankers... In short, what i'm trying to say is that the problem is people's perceptions of what it is to be male and female and also what it is to be a banker.

On the other hand, since only women can have children, surely there is a real glass ceiling...?  The chairman of a PE fund told me two years ago that he'd never hire women because they ran off, had children and were therefore not commited enough. I can see his logic but I think he's illustrated what people mean by glass ceiling. These institutions do not facilitate women working and being mothers.

It's possible and important for women and men to share and be equal in the social, political and economic power in a civilised, sophisticated society, don't you think?

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